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Mac Dac
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:36:00 -
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A respec sbould be when all (or at least most) of the content is out and CCP isn't drastically changeing stats. But giving outa respec cause your getting new content isn't a good idea. We should get a respec after the vehicle changes and the racial variants of the suit and AR.
And I don't think the original plan was to have a racial variant for every suit. Think about it. In closed and even open beta the suit's race was tied to its role. Gallente were scouts, Amar were beavies, Caldari were assault, and Minmatar were logistics. I honestly think going racial was a more recent thing CCP decided to do, so i don't consider CCP being punctual a solid reason to why we don't have all the racial variants yet, but then again i could be wrong and CCP could have just made themselves look worse then they already do. |
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Posted - 2013.10.12 03:45:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Obodiah Garro wrote:Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O).
Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders.
Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles. Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially? Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released.
if we weren't that would be the biggest **** slap CCP has given to any particular group of Dust 514 players ever. |
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:14:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Best thing is to pool as mentioned. That and never count on getting anything back. It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist. 
This man is a genius! He knows how to dal with CCP! |
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:59:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Isn't that a respec?
No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything. Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund. Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund. Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :> Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering. The issue isn't going to be things completely removed, it's that they are completely overhauling vehicles suits and weapons .... as i've said seeing as the current AR is Gallente when the other racial variants come in things like the TAC are likely to be removed because gallente weaps are short ranged high dps weaps .. you see they wont be removed completely but they will have certain general variants removed .. if you want to use a weapon like the TAC you;ll have to go Caldari .. but sadly the current variant is Gallente so the TAC variant has been moved to another skill tree completely ... you seem to be under the impression that all the current variants and weapons will remain in the game untouched .. they wont ... do you really think it'd take over a year before adding the racial variants if it was as simple as just adding to what they currently have ? Moving variants of current items into new tree's is no different to removing somethign from the game .. it's something you skilled into that has been moved somewhere else .. how anyone can say decisions matter when things like this happen is beyond me Do you see the point I'm making here ?
This is why a partial respec or refund is a good idea when we get the other variants, but a total respec shouldnt happen. You should get back the sp and isk you spent on the content that was drastically changed but getting all sp back for content that was unaffected is unnecessary.
i dont think they'll get rid of the current AR variant, but more of the lines of add more variants to the new ones ie. scrambler rifle.
Which kind of brings me to this point. Rinzler you said you like the TAC version of the current AR so from what i can tell you don't follow the crowd much. But what i see is that most people didnt choose the AR because it was the only AR but because it had a a high dps and damage which made it one of the easiest weapons to kill with. And when the scrambler rifle was introduced most people didnt and don't use the standard version but the high dps assault version.
Say CCP doesn't remove the current variants of the AR and instead jus add a variant to the new ones. i can see most people flocking to the faster shoting variant of the rail rifle then the single shot standard one. And if that rail rifle is easier to kill with then the AR then people will just use the refunded sp to spec into the better rail rifle instead of the standard one. |
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:10:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:What about us dropship pilots? Do we get a respec?
CCP has continuously trolled us by messing with the camera on the ship and by even buffing AV. The only comment I read by a Dev said that SP Respec was on the Table for Discussion Only regarding the vehicle balancing act of undetermined delivery date. Nothing related to SP was being committed to. Period. So, please Mercs, Tankers, Amarr Light Suit Hopefuls and everybody else. Lighten up or quit. There are no published plans to make the game more reasonable than EVE and EVE has always been notoriously unreasonable. Patience is the only solution here. If they give anything to anybody they will announce it. Then when it is released and it matches the description I will believe it. Until then. No gonna do it. But, I am definitely not trusting CCP/Shanghai to do either the right thing nor any logical thing. They have a tradition to follow and why would I expect them to break the mold established in UpRising 1.1? 
but i think they did confirm that they are removing the vehicle variants...
which is an enormous **** slap to dropships since the most viable dropship is the assault version... unless they give dropships an enormous torque boost. |
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:23:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:f**k no! only tankers get respecs! Ha! why are tankers so special? Dropsuits are in a very similar situation where a vast majority of the content they plan to release has not been released.
No dropship pilots need this more then anyone else...
why is it that when vehicles gets nerfed its like being grounded for HAVs and LAVs and like taking a huge **** in the anus for dropships?  |
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